We wish to develop great relationships with you all, but a professional enviornment is expected during the tryout procedures to safeguard the integrity of our tryouts.

Typical acceptable and unacceptable interactions with team members are listed below...

• Acceptable interactions

  • Practicing with team members for tryout preparation

  • Visiting with team members if found at Harry's

  • Pre-existing relationships with a team member

• Unacceptable interactions

  • Hitting on team members

  • Inappropriate physical contact with team members

  • Romantic relationships with team memebers

Any relationship existing between a tryout individual and a team member must be disclosed to the AW Officer Team.

You are not on the team (hopefully "YET!"), but during the tryout process you could be recognized as an Aggie Wrangler tryout couple. This means that you now carry a higher level of reputational burden than before you were a tryout couple. We wish to keep our reputation in high regards, and if you make the team you would want the same thing!

During the tryout process (defined here as the time between the first mock tryout and the day of tryouts) we ask you to follow the below considerations...

• No underage drinking at Harry's

• Refrain from practicing Jitterbug at Harry's (this is a policy we have for our members, as we do not want to harm any other dancers around us)

• Billigerent behavior is unacceptable in a public enviornment

We want you to be as prepared as you can be for tryouts, so we recommend you do the following to help you be ready!

• Take the four lessons we offer during the year (CW 1 & 2, Jitt 1 & 2)

• Take the advanced lessons for more specialized help for tryouts

• Ask team members and alumni for help on tryout advice and dancing technique (from turns to floor dancing to your jitterbug routine)

• Ask fellow tryout couples to practice with you!

Leave time for you and your partner to practice ALONE, without other tryout couples or team members/alumni. Asking for help is a great way to get to know other people and get fresh sets of eyes, but, in the end, you and your partner are going to need to execute on your own for tryouts.

To help you prepare for tryouts, we encourage you to use The Bootstack whenever you practice with a current team member! Please follow the general guidelines below for professional conduct while occupying The Bootstack.

• If you would like to practice with a team member, give them a few days notice so they can make sure The Bootstack is available!

• Before practicing at The Bootstack at the beginning of the season, please fill out our Bootstack Occupant waiver found HERE. (this only needs to be filled out once per season)

• Please refrain from entering the back room, unless explicitly asked to enter by a current team member.

• Please refrain from interacting with the A/V system, as the current team member knows the proper way to use it to ensure it lasts on our team for generations.

We want the best from you that you can give the team, but that means you must first be yourself. There may be some other tips for tryouts that are meant to help you grown into a potential productive member of the team and may push your comfort zone, but please remember that you are here to add your unique value to the team!

If you are struggling on something, please ask for help! If you cannot do a clockwise polka turn smoothly in the beginning, do not keep running in circles if it's not working out! We will not be looking at how you could not do a turn in the beginning. What would be worse would be waiting until tryout day and not having strong dance fundamentals. We are here to help you develop into better dancers.

If you are nervous interacting with team members, what better way to break the ice than dancing with them. Even if you are not confident with your dancing fundamentals yet, the interaction helps us get to know you better, and shows great initiative on your part! On the team, you will be in front of a lot of people and may be pushed out of your comfort zone. Things like this can help prepare you for those situations.

There is too much of a good thing in this regard, so be aware and think if you are being too pushy with members. We are here for you and want to meet you! But we are also college students and like to relax sometimes as well. Also, keep in mind the expectations of professional conduct with team members

On this playlist, we have a good selection of polka songs, two-step songs, jitterbug songs, and even some waltz! We sometimes use this playlist for lessons, but this is also a great resource for preparing for tryouts.

Use this in your practicing to get used to the type of songs that will be used during your tryout.

• The floor dancing songs will be slower, and the jitterbug song may be anything from 2 ½ minutes to 4 ½ minutes.

• The songs will always be unknown right up until tryouts, and will change year to year.

{Page 4 of the Building Policies Manual}

"This building will be used for the purpose of benefitting the Aggie Wranglers organization and its members. Only approved Aggie Wrangler events are permitted in the building."

{Page 4 of the Building Policies Manual}

An Aggie Wrangler Event is defined as the following:

Any occasion, meeting, activity, social outing, happening or other planned event representing either the gathering of Aggie Wrangler team members or Aggie Wrangler team member(s) and members of the public. ​An Aggie Wrangler event is organized by a member of the Aggie Wranglers, approved by the Aggie Wranglers Officer Team prior to the event occurring, and serves to advance the Aggie Wrangler organization and its Mission Statement​.

Aggie Wrangler events include, but are not limited to, the following events:

● Aggie Wrangler Team Meetings

● Aggie Wrangler Team Practice

● Aggie Wrangler Jitterbug Practice

● Aggie Wrangler Summer Workshops

● Aggie Wrangler BOOTS/HATS Meetings

● Aggie Wrangler Public Lessons

● Aggie Wrangler Private Lessons

● Aggie Wrangler Reunion

● Team Member Practices

● Tryout Activities

● Open Dance Floor Nights

● Member Study Hours

● Team-Building Activities

● Facility Rentals

{Page 4 of the Building Policies Manual}

"This building will be used for the purpose of benefitting the Aggie Wranglers organization and its members. Only approved Aggie Wrangler events are permitted in the building."

{Page 4 of the Building Policies Manual}

An Aggie Wrangler Event is defined as the following:

Any occasion, meeting, activity, social outing, happening or other planned event representing either the gathering of Aggie Wrangler team members or Aggie Wrangler team member(s) and members of the public. ​An Aggie Wrangler event is organized by a member of the Aggie Wranglers, approved by the Aggie Wranglers Officer Team prior to the event occurring, and serves to advance the Aggie Wrangler organization and its Mission Statement​.

Aggie Wrangler events include, but are not limited to, the following events:

● Aggie Wrangler Team Meetings

● Aggie Wrangler Team Practice

● Aggie Wrangler Jitterbug Practice

● Aggie Wrangler Summer Workshops

● Aggie Wrangler BOOTS/HATS Meetings

● Aggie Wrangler Public Lessons

● Aggie Wrangler Private Lessons

● Aggie Wrangler Reunion

● Team Member Practices

● Tryout Activities

● Open Dance Floor Nights

● Member Study Hours

● Team-Building Activities

● Facility Rentals

Our lessons cost $60 per couple for all four weeks. This equates to about $5 per person per hour of instruction.

Lessons are once a week for an hour and a half with each session of lessons lasting for four weeks.

You can sign up for lessons without having a partner, but you must have a partner by the time lessons start. If you do sign up without a definite partner and cannot find one by the time your lessons start, we cannot refund your money. The only lesson that does not require a partner is the one night line dancing workshop.

Check out our Partner Search Database for help finding a partner. For security reasons, you are required to have a current TAMU NetID and password to access the database.

We also have a partner search instagram page, @AW_DancePartnerSearch! You can fill out the following FORM to have your information posted on our page so that potential partners can contact you!

Of course not! Our classes are offered to everyone and anyone regardless of whether you are enrolled at Texas A&M or not.

You can bring a substitute partner as long as they pay $30! The other option is coming 30 minutes early to the next class the following week! If you have any questions, contact @Lessons@wranglers.tamu.edu.

Yes, you are more than welcome to come 30 minutes before or stay 30 minutes after your given lesson time to catch up from the previous week. However, should you or your partner be absent the final week, please contact lessons@wranglers.tamu.edu. It is not guaranteed that a team member will be available to assist once a class has ended.

We teach a variety of classes for people of all different skill levels. Participants should be aware that all moves are “challenge by choice” and are not required should you feel uncomfortable to do so.

- Country and Western 1 teaches the basic two step, polka, waltz, and the turns associated with each step.

- Country and Western 2 is for those who are more comfortable with their polka. Basic moves such as Donna, pretzel, and box are taught to a polka step.

- Jitterbug 1 teaches basic jitterbug floor moves such as Donna and pretzel, as well as several stunts including Jessie flip, floor sweep, and can opener.

- Jitterbug 2 is for those who are interested in more of our “High Flyin’ Death Defyin’” moves. The primary focus of this class is to teach lifts which will be almost entirely off the ground. There are relatively few floor moves. Jitterbug will include Around the World, Reisha, Cliffhanger, Michelle, and several others.

If the move is one that is taught in public lessons – yes! Unfortunately, we also have a set of team-only moves that we are unable to teach to the public due to safety precautions. We practice long and hard to ensure the safety of our team members as well as those who take our lessons!

Online signups start about a month in advance of the lessons start date. If you want to ensure that you will get a spot in a certain class on a certain day, reserve your spot as soon as possible. Our classes are filled on a first come first serve basis and there are a limited number of spots within each class. Be sure to follow the Aggie Wranglers on Facebook and Instagram for up-to-date information on when lessons signups are available.

Be sure to always wear appropriate clothing to dance in; be mindful of skirts and low-cut shirts. Boots are not required, but are recommended.

Secondly, we ask that you bring your liability waiver printed and completed on the first day of lessons to ensure that the lesson starts promptly. If you do not have the waiver we will provide one to fill out upon arrival.

This is handled on a case by case basis. We try to be flexible, but when classes are full it is sometimes difficult to fit an extra couple into the room. Feel free to email our Lessons Coordinator at lessons@wranglers.tamu.edu with any questions you may have.

We hope you never have a problem with lessons, but if you do please talk to your instructors first. You may also speak with any of the assistants. If the issue persists, you are welcome to email our Lessons Coordinator at lessons@wranglers.tamu.edu.

Please inform one of your instructors to assist you. We will ask that you fill out an Incident Report Form which will be available at all lessons. We will follow-up as necessary.

{Page 5 and 6 of the Building Policies Manual}

Only officers have physical keys to the building, so you will need to add your fingerprint to the electronic lock on the side of the building. Contact the Vice President to make sure you have access.

There is a lockbox to the left of the front doors on the inside with a physical key inside. After entering from the side, you may use that key to open the doors to planned visitors.

The code is 1984. It is your responsibilty to make sure the doors are locked upon departure with the key back in the lockbox!

Yes and no! It was designed to be the home of all Aggie Wrangler team members, but no one can occupy the facility without the officer team knowing about it. This is a huge risk to the organization if there is usage without prior knowledge that someone was occupying the facility.

Visit MaroonLink, sign in, and complete the Bootstack Access Request form.

You should aim to fill this out at least 24 hours before you plan to be there to make sure someone has time to approve your request. If your event was planned a few hours ahead of time, still complete the B.A.R. form as soon as you learn about the event.

View this video for a shortcut access to the form.

Unless otherwise stated, whoever fills out this form is the designated Event Manager. See "Responsibility in The Bootstack."

{Page 5 and 6 of the Building Policies Manual}

Only officers have physical keys to the building, so you will need to add your fingerprint to the electronic lock on the side of the building. Contact the Vice President to make sure you have access.

There is a lockbox to the left of the front doors on the inside with a physical key inside. After entering from the side, you may use that key to open the doors to planned visitors.

The code is 1984. It is your responsibilty to make sure the doors are locked upon departure with the key back in the lockbox!

Yes and no! It was designed to be the home of all Aggie Wrangler team members, but no one can occupy the facility without the officer team knowing about it. This is a huge risk to the organization if there is usage without prior knowledge that someone was occupying the facility.

Visit MaroonLink, sign in, and complete the Bootstack Access Request form.

You should aim to fill this out at least 24 hours before you plan to be there to make sure someone has time to approve your request. If your event was planned a few hours ahead of time, still complete the B.A.R. form as soon as you learn about the event.

View this video for a shortcut access to the form.

Unless otherwise stated, whoever fills out this form is the designated Event Manager. See "Responsibility in The Bootstack."

If the move is one that is taught in public lessons – yes! Unfortunately, we also have a set of team-only moves that we are unable to teach to the public due to safety precautions. We practice long and hard to ensure the safety of our team members as well as those who take our lessons!

Be sure to always wear appropriate clothing to dance in; be mindful of skirts and low-cut shirts. Boots are not required, but closed toed shoes are. Secondly, we ask that you bring your liability waiver printed and completed on the first day of lessons to ensure that the lesson starts promptly.

We hope you never have a problem with lessons, but if you do please talk to your instructors first. You may also speak with any of the assistants. If the issue persists, you are welcome to email our Lessons Coordinator at lessons@wranglers.tamu.edu.

Please inform one of your instructors to assist you. We will ask that you fill out an Incident Report Form which will be available at all lessons. We will follow-up as necessary.

Aggie Wranglers lessons will always be taught by an approved current team couple to ensure the safety of our participants.

Rates vary according to the number of couples participating in the requested lesson. Prices may be found on our Private Lessons page HERE.

** Please note that lessons located more than 25 miles from the Bryan/College Station area may require additional travel fees.

Private lessons may be requested by the half-hour. If you have questions concerning the allotment of time needed for your participants in your private lesson, please contact our Lessons Coordinator at lessons@wranglers.tamu.edu.

We teach a variety of classes for people of all different skill levels. Private lessons may be customized to incorporate a variety of moves taught in each of our classes. Please visit our Public Lessons page to view a list of what we offer. We practice long and hard to ensure the safety of our team members as well as those who take our lessons. Unfortunately, we have a set of team-only moves that we are unable to teach to the public due to safety precautions.

We do our very best to work with each lesson request, regardless of submission; however, it is preferable that requests are made at least 4-6 weeks in advance. When lessons requests are submitted with ample time before the event date, team members are offered the opportunity to ensure that they will be available.

{Page 7 of the Building Policies Manual}

The highest ranking officer present will have the responsibility of ensuring the policies of The Bootstack are being followed.

If an officer is not present, a team member will be designated by the officer team as the "Event Manager." In the case of filling out the Bootstack Access Request form, the submitter will be the Event Manager.

Everything.

They are responsible for assuring all aspects of the Building Policies Manual are being followed by all occupants. They are responsible for all activities that are occuring on the premises.

They are responsible for enforcing the team's Sign IN and Sign OUT procedures and making sure the A/C is not being used outside of it's defined limits (page 15 of the manual).

Upon departure, they are resopnsible for ensuring the following things:

• A/C and lights turned off

• A/V system properly shut down

• All doors locked

{Page 10 of the Building Policies Manual}

In general, if you blatanlty break something you run the risk of being responsible.

"The officer team is responsible for determining what actions should be taken to repair any damage to the facility, including: who is liable for damages, who pays to cover the damages, the cost required to cover the repairs, and how the damages will be repaired."

If you punch a hole in the wall, you are fixing it. If you spill your entire drink on the A/V system, it's not as clear cut as punching a hole in the wall, but now you put yourself at risk for discussion about what happens next.

If you don't want any question about you spilling drinks on the A/V system, don't put your drinks right next to it; place them on the opposite side of the granite!

{Page 7 of the Building Policies Manual}

The highest ranking officer present will have the responsibility of ensuring the policies of The Bootstack are being followed.

If an officer is not present, a team member will be designated by the officer team as the "Event Manager." In the case of filling out the Bootstack Access Request form, the submitter will be the Event Manager.

Everything.

They are responsible for assuring all aspects of the Building Policies Manual are being followed by all occupants. They are responsible for all activities that are occuring on the premises.

They are responsible for enforcing the team's Sign IN and Sign OUT procedures and making sure the A/C is not being used outside of it's defined limits (page 15 of the manual).

Upon departure, they are resopnsible for ensuring the following things:

• A/C and lights turned off

• A/V system properly shut down

• All doors locked

{Page 10 of the Building Policies Manual}

In general, if you blatanlty break something you run the risk of being responsible.

"The officer team is responsible for determining what actions should be taken to repair any damage to the facility, including: who is liable for damages, who pays to cover the damages, the cost required to cover the repairs, and how the damages will be repaired."

If you punch a hole in the wall, you are fixing it. If you spill your entire drink on the A/V system, it's not as clear cut as punching a hole in the wall, but now you put yourself at risk for discussion about what happens next.

If you don't want any question about you spilling drinks on the A/V system, don't put your drinks right next to it; place them on the opposite side of the granite!

Performance information can be found under the "Performances" tab of our website.

Additionally, you may request a performance HERE.

No.

Upon submission, performance requests are brought to the team, and each member fills out their availability for the date and time. If there are at least three couples available for your performance, your request will be confirmed via email.

We do our very best to work with each performance request, regardless of submission; however, it is preferable that requests are made at least 3 months in advance. When performance requests are submitted with ample time before the event date, team members are offered the opportunity to ensure that they will be available. Ideally, this in turn creates the chance that more couples will be able to make your performance.

{Page 9 of the Building Policies Manual}

This is answered by the following text from the manual,

"The facility is an extension of the Aggie Wrangler brand, arguably more important than the logo itself. It should be understood that all actions and behaviors on the premises along with the emotions elicited from the environment of the building itself will either develop or damage the Aggie Wrangler brand and image."

The following lists specifc basic conduct expectations:

• No alcohol, drugs, tobacco, or other illicit drugs

• No physical intimacy on the premises

• No overnight stays, unless for formal retreat events

Just be professional. Over time it will be more clear what this looks like for different situations. For lessons, it's not talking and being on your phone, going in and out of the meeting room.

More specific guidelines are listed on page 9 and 10 of the manual, reproduced here:

• No eating in spaces occupied by non-members

• No crossing arms, slouching, leaning against walls, door ways, furniture, etc

• Usage of teaching cabinets is limited to team members’ water bottles / drinks, the teaching couple’s phones, and the class syllabus

• Team members will leave all belongings in the meeting room

• No accessing the meeting room during lessons

• No phone usage (unless otherwise stated)

• Jitterbug is limited to moves being taught or performed as approved by the Officer Team

• No girl-girl or guy-guy jitterbug

• No profanity and/or other unprofessional language or hand signs

• No distracting actions

This is further outlined on pages 11 and 12 in the manual, but is summarized by the following statement on page 10...

"Actions of the public that do not follow the rules in the governing law documents may result in the member(s) of the public being removed from the premises as defined in Article V, Section II. Responsibility of removing any persons from the premises falls to the Officer Team or designated Event Manager in the case that there are no officers present. If actions result in members of the public being removed from the facility, the Vice President will be notified of the situation immediately."

Every non-member occupant needs to complete the "Aggie Wrangler Building Access Agreement", found here.

The form is good for one academic semester, if they return in a following semester they will need to fill out the form again.

On behalf of the Aggie Wranglers, thank you for your interest in sponsoring the team!

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GENERAL DONATIONS:

If you are interested in making a tax-deductible donation to the team, checks must be made payable to the Texas A&M Foundation, with "Aggie Wranglers -SOFC 954450" written in the memo line. Checks should be mailed to the following address:

Aggie Wranglers

125 John J. Koldus Student Services Building

1236 TAMU, College Station, TX 77843-1236

The Texas A&M Foundation is a 501(c)3 tax exempt organization whose contributions are tax deductible.

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EQUIPTMENT SPONSORSHIP:

If you are interested in sponsoring a specific item for the Aggie Wrangler team, please reach out to our Vice President by email at VicePresident@Wranglers.tamu.edu for information about current team needs.

Examples of items that can be sponsored include anything from a new camera tripod to organized shelving units, or even uniform pieces for our new members!

{Page 9 of the Building Policies Manual}

This is answered by the following text from the manual,

"The facility is an extension of the Aggie Wrangler brand, arguably more important than the logo itself. It should be understood that all actions and behaviors on the premises along with the emotions elicited from the environment of the building itself will either develop or damage the Aggie Wrangler brand and image."

The following lists specifc basic conduct expectations:

• No alcohol, drugs, tobacco, or other illicit drugs

• No physical intimacy on the premises

• No overnight stays, unless for formal retreat events

Just be professional. Over time it will be more clear what this looks like for different situations. For lessons, it's not talking and being on your phone, going in and out of the meeting room.

More specific guidelines are listed on page 9 and 10 of the manual, reproduced here:

• No eating in spaces occupied by non-members

• No crossing arms, slouching, leaning against walls, door ways, furniture, etc

• Usage of teaching cabinets is limited to team members’ water bottles / drinks, the teaching couple’s phones, and the class syllabus

• Team members will leave all belongings in the meeting room

• No accessing the meeting room during lessons

• No phone usage (unless otherwise stated)

• Jitterbug is limited to moves being taught or performed as approved by the Officer Team

• No girl-girl or guy-guy jitterbug

• No profanity and/or other unprofessional language or hand signs

• No distracting actions

This is further outlined on pages 11 and 12 in the manual, but is summarized by the following statement on page 10...

"Actions of the public that do not follow the rules in the governing law documents may result in the member(s) of the public being removed from the premises as defined in Article V, Section II. Responsibility of removing any persons from the premises falls to the Officer Team or designated Event Manager in the case that there are no officers present. If actions result in members of the public being removed from the facility, the Vice President will be notified of the situation immediately."

Every non-member occupant needs to complete the "Aggie Wrangler Building Access Agreement", found here.

The form is good for one academic semester, if they return in a following semester they will need to fill out the form again.

You are responsible for your own mess. Make sure all spills are picked up, and all trash placed in the trash can.

If you make a mess in the microwave, immediately clean it up. If you make a mess near the coffee maker, immediately clean it up. Use this policy for everything in The Bootstack, and team cleans will be so easy.

The Vice President is responsible for creating a cleaning maintenance schedule for The Bootstack. This is where the team ("team cleans") will make a sweep of every aspect of The Bootstack to make sure our home is clean. An example of this maintenance plan is found here.

Find these on page 14 of the Building Policies Manual.

Some important provisions are listed below:

• Aside from previously approved events, no member is allowed in the building for longer than 25 minutes without an officer present (this allows you to go back and pick up something you left without needing a B.A.R. form)

• Only team members are permitted access to the loft unless otherwise approved by the Officer Team

• No member should use the sound board, projector, or any other A/V equipment without officer consent (after you've been shown how to properly turn on/shut down the system)

• All individual guests must fill out a Liability Waiver and a Building Access Agreement form

• Only dispose of toilet paper in the toilets (no paper towels, no tissues, no feminine hygiene products of any kind, etc.) DON'T DON'T DON'T

• Any personal food should not be left in the Mini Fridge for more than 24 hours.

  • Any food left is subject to being eaten/thrown out by the Officer Team.

  • Failure to keep mini fridge clean may result in it being locked by the President or Vice President

First, it's thousands of dollars, so don't break it!

Second, it will last a very long time if we take care of it. However, multiple misuses of the system can cause the speakers to wear down over time at a rapid pace.

Near the A/V system is a clipboard with specific instructions, but the main thing to think about is...

When turning ON the system, turn the console on first, then the speakers.

When turning OFF the system, turn the speakers off first, then the console.

This will prevent an input overload to the speakers and make them "pop."

Be sure to read all of the considerations on the clipboard by the A/V system. Other than that, it really is simple to use!

This falls on the Vice President and the Building Administrative Representative. If you notice something needs fixing or restocking, bring it up to them.

A specific process of reporting this is coming soon, and will be posted here...

Tryouts occur once a year in April, traditionally on the last weekend.

Please find the requirements for trying out for the team here.

Yes, you must have a partner. Couples will try out and make the team together; we do not take individuals.

You are responsible for your own mess. Make sure all spills are picked up, and all trash placed in the trash can.

If you make a mess in the microwave, immediately clean it up. If you make a mess near the coffee maker, immediately clean it up. Use this policy for everything in The Bootstack, and team cleans will be so easy.

The Vice President is responsible for creating a cleaning maintenance schedule for The Bootstack. This is where the team ("team cleans") will make a sweep of every aspect of The Bootstack to make sure our home is clean. An example of this maintenance plan is found here.

Find these on page 14 of the Building Policies Manual.

Some important provisions are listed below:

• Aside from previously approved events, no member is allowed in the building for longer than 25 minutes without an officer present (this allows you to go back and pick up something you left without needing a B.A.R. form)

• Only team members are permitted access to the loft unless otherwise approved by the Officer Team

• No member should use the sound board, projector, or any other A/V equipment without officer consent (after you've been shown how to properly turn on/shut down the system)

• All individual guests must fill out a Liability Waiver and a Building Access Agreement form

• Only dispose of toilet paper in the toilets (no paper towels, no tissues, no feminine hygiene products of any kind, etc.) DON'T DON'T DON'T

• Any personal food should not be left in the Mini Fridge for more than 24 hours.

  • Any food left is subject to being eaten/thrown out by the Officer Team.

  • Failure to keep mini fridge clean may result in it being locked by the President or Vice President

First, it's thousands of dollars, so don't break it!

Second, it will last a very long time if we take care of it. However, multiple misuses of the system can cause the speakers to wear down over time at a rapid pace.

Near the A/V system is a clipboard with specific instructions, but the main thing to think about is...

When turning ON the system, turn the console on first, then the speakers.

When turning OFF the system, turn the speakers off first, then the console.

This will prevent an input overload to the speakers and make them "pop."

Be sure to read all of the considerations on the clipboard by the A/V system. Other than that, it really is simple to use!

This falls on the Vice President and the Building Administrative Representative. If you notice something needs fixing or restocking, bring it up to them.

A specific process of reporting this is coming soon, and will be posted here...